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You can lead a woman to body-positive messages, but you can’t make her believe them.

28th October 2009

You can lead a woman to body-positive messages, but you can’t make her believe them.

I stopped into a consignment boutique near my downtown office this afternoon on my lunch break — it’s the same boutique I blogged about here.  The boutique offers consignment-quality used clothes that benefit Dress for Success, a non-profit program that provides low-income women with professional clothes so they can land professional jobs.  The nicer, designer clothes are usually offered on the first floor with the basement reserved for the more dated and lesser quality pieces.  Despite its institutional gray concrete floor and stark fluorescent overhead lighting, the volunteers have strived to make the basement as cheery a place as a basement can be, with handmade signs that read in glittery print , “You’re perfect!,” “You’re stunning!” and “You’re gorgeous!”

So, it was kind of a disconnect when I ventured back upstairs and waited patiently at the jewelry counter for the clerk to show me a vintage-inspired ring.  Three volunteer clerks were standing at the counter next to me, deep in conversation.  A dowdy woman whom I shall call Lady A was in the midst of lamenting her small breasts.  A tall blonde woman (who can’t wear larger than a size 12) offered to give her some of her fat, explaining that she had way too much of it while pinching her stomach to illustrate her point.  Lady A declined, pinching her own belly and announcing that she had quite enough of her own, thank you.  A thin petite woman commiserated with the pair despite the fact that she is a perhaps a size 4-6 at most.  An uncomfortable silence ensued as Lady A and the tall blonde stared daggers at her for imagining fat that doesn’t exist.  The thin petite woman quickly changed the subject and began moaning about her wrinkles and how she wished she could get Botox while the other two women nodded in agreement and pointed out their own crow’s feet, lined foreheads and other imagined flaws.

I had been standing there listening to the body-hate talk for about three minutes when they finally realized they had a customer waiting on them.  The petite thin woman apologized for the wait and opened the case.

“It’s no problem,” I said.  “Actually, I was just thinking about how nice it would be if we extended Fat Talk Free week year round.”

“Fat Talk Free week?” she asked, confused.  “What’s that?”

“Last week was observed as Fat Talk Free week,” I explained.  “It’s a week in which women are encouraged not to engage in fat talk… you know, like ‘Oh, I’m so fat‘ or ‘I need to lose weight.‘”

“Oh,” she said with one of those smiles retail workers reserve for customers they despise but have to be nice to anyway.  “All women do it; it’s just part of being a woman.  We’re all just obsessed about our weight!”

I smiled as I slipped on the ring and found it to be a perfect fit.  “Yes,” I said.  “But we don’t have to be.”

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  1. 1 On October 28th, 2009, D said:

    Rachel you rock my world! Good for you for talking a stand against “fat talk.” It’s so poisonous to men and women…

  2. 2 On October 28th, 2009, Shannon Russell said:

    Nice… I bet they were confused after that. “Wait, we don’t have to talk about our weight? Who was that masked woman?”

    Peace,
    Shannon

  3. 3 On October 28th, 2009, returnofconky said:

    Good for you! I got up and left the break room at work mid-meal this week because one of my co-workers decided she needed to discuss the relative caloric value of her meal. I don’t like it when people get their fathate on my lunch.

  4. 4 On October 28th, 2009, Anna said:

    Hell yes, get the message out there. I am a woman and I *do* love my body. Thank you, beautiful ripples, bones, and everything else :)
    And love to all you women trying to love your body. It will all click!

  5. 5 On October 28th, 2009, Anna said:

    Awesome! Go you Rachel!

  6. 6 On October 28th, 2009, WendyRG said:

    Excellent! What else can I say?

  7. 7 On October 28th, 2009, buffpuff said:

    Perfect response, Rachel. I’d have just stood there looking daggers at them like I did when two women spent an entire train journey dissing some (allegedly) fat broad they knew while they were practically standing on top of me. Fat: it’s all we talk about – real, imaginary, ours, each other’s…and when the whole thing starts to make us feel really really miserable…we talk about celebrities’ imaginary fat to cheer us up. Ugh.

  8. 8 On October 28th, 2009, Frances said:

    ““Yes,” I said. “But we don’t have to be.””

    BAM!

    I love that. Perfect perfect response.

  9. 9 On October 28th, 2009, eli said:

    My flatmate and her friend were engaging in fat talk – they’re both waxing romantic about surgery at the moment. Flatmate’s on about how she wants a boob job, and lip. Her friend wants a reduction and lipo.

    Meanwhile, I’m the fattest girl in the room, and I’m thinking, “Huh. I’m happy with my body. How about that?”

  10. 10 On October 29th, 2009, Kath said:

    Hopefully they will chew on that thought for a bit, and maybe hit the Google!

  11. 11 On October 29th, 2009, Roni said:

    LOVE it! I’m trying to end my own. I’m getting there! And you totally make we want to catch someone in the act so I can speak up! lol

  12. 12 On October 29th, 2009, Forestroad said:

    I am having issues with a spin instructor at my gym; I really like her but she always engages in fat talk in the locker room. I can’t have an opinion about ugly bike shorts (my mom sent me a pair that comes up to my ribcage and down to my knees) or working out in just a jog-bra (love it! so liberating!) because it turns into a referendum on my body. Usually I get in a plug for HAES and then steer the convo in a different direction, but when she commented that I’m “allowed” to wear a jog bra because I’ve gotten so skinny (fwiw I’m a 5’4″ size 10) I said that actually I’ve never been ashamed of jogging around my neighborhood in just a bra, even when I was chubbier, because if someone has a problem looking at me, that’s their problem. At which point she backtracked and said of course I was right :)

    Maybe I’m having a subtle impact…I’ve certainly tried to lead her to the water.

  13. 13 On October 29th, 2009, Kelly said:

    Great job Rachel!

    Sometimes I wish I was prettier / more “made up” so that when I dissed Fat Talk, or called it out, I might be listened to more? I’m just a kind of frumpy mom to two kids, I swear I am “invisible” to so many people…

    Forestroad, your spin instructor may have “backtracked” but also, you may be helping her deprogram, just a bit… so good for you! I wish I had the guts to work out in just a bra. Maybe I will make that a goal.

  14. 14 On October 29th, 2009, Samantha said:

    Oh yuck, “We’re all obsessed with our weight! Diamonds are a girl’s best friend! Oh I broke a nail!”
    Does she have any clue how many more things women have going for them than weight?

  15. 15 On October 29th, 2009, Rachel said:

    Sometimes I wish I was prettier / more “made up” so that when I dissed Fat Talk, or called it out, I might be listened to more? I’m just a kind of frumpy mom to two kids, I swear I am “invisible” to so many people…

    Yeah, I know what you mean. Just like with fat FA activists, some people think that you’re just making excuses or yourself and/or trying to convince yourself of what it is you’re saying. I also feel that way sometimes in eating disorder circles. Even at my thinnest, I was never underweight (unless you exclude all the loose skin) and now that I am officially fat again, I sometimes feel as if people don’t believe that I ever actually struggled with anorexia or that it wasn’t as *serious* since I was never emaciated enough to fit the stereotype.

  16. 16 On October 29th, 2009, Rachel said:

    @Samantha: To add to that… I don’t really care what she thinks of herself, but she’s a volunteer for an organization that is supposed to be EMPOWERING the most vulnerable of women! Poor women have plenty of more pressing and important things to worry about than adding their weight and how they look to the list.

  17. 17 On October 29th, 2009, Entangled said:

    I find it so depressing how many women WANT to have this be part of their identity. Sure, calling people out on their body hate talk deprives me of a few (albeit destructive) moments of bonding, but it also helps free me from a life of worrying about and hating my body.

    Shouldn’t there be more important things in the world to concern ourselves with?

  18. 18 On October 29th, 2009, Melissa Pearson said:

    Plus when we ditch the fat talk and self-hating think about all the extra time we gain for doing things we really like! and plus, eating things that we really like as well!

  19. 19 On October 30th, 2009, PlusSizedFeminist said:

    Good for you Rachel. I also discussed this in my support group just the other day. I affirmed that “fat talk” was something that I intended on letting go, and the advisor thought that it was a very helpful idea to have.

  20. 20 On October 31st, 2009, Marie Denee said:

    Two Snaps!!! Get it ! How I’d love to have been a fly on the wall!

  21. 21 On October 31st, 2009, Ever hear this kind of talk? « Dating Jesus said:

    [...] Ever engage in it yourself? [...]

  22. 22 On November 3rd, 2009, Liza said:

    I felt pretty ballsy (ovarysy?) for writing this as my weekly blog post for my interactive journalism class:

    http://blogs.journalism.cuny.edu/interactive2010/2009/10/26/fighting-the-wrong-fight/

  23. 23 On November 7th, 2009, Lyndsay said:

    A couple girls I hung out with at Halloween were starting to get into fat talk. I acknowledged how they felt but commented that really in the end, weight is pretty trivial. The fat talk changed to another subject pretty quickly.

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