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	<title>Comments on: Want to impress a first date?  Order a slab of meat</title>
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		<title>By: Earthencircle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Earthencircle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, I really enjoyed your thoughts on this.

I have a lot that I&#039;d like to say but feel better about keeping it simple at this point in time (I would have to get my own blog to cover it all tee hee). My thought is I feel sooooo good about myself when I&#039;m trying to be viewed as a cheap, low maintanence date.  Honesty is the best policy for myriad reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, I really enjoyed your thoughts on this.</p>
<p>I have a lot that I&#8217;d like to say but feel better about keeping it simple at this point in time (I would have to get my own blog to cover it all tee hee). My thought is I feel sooooo good about myself when I&#8217;m trying to be viewed as a cheap, low maintanence date.  Honesty is the best policy for myriad reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Garden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Garden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It never fails to amaze me how everything men put out there that sounds like &#039;hey, girls! Relax! Enjoy life!&#039; turns into another impossible demand (eat hearty, but stay &#039;effortlessly&#039; thin! Go &#039;natural&#039;! Like Cameron Diaz! - which, of course, means putting in exactly the same amount of grooming time, but now you have to conceal that you&#039;re doing it. 

It always amazes me the number of men I know who honestly believe that women are just set up in some way that makes high heels more comfortable than they look and being completely hairless and odorless all the time somehow effortless. 

It always amazes me is how many men seem to want all the results of women&#039;s endless obsessing over their weight and appearance and man-pleasing behavior without having to be aware of any of the work involved. 

I think there are a lot of men who feel vaguely weird and guilty about this, and that&#039;s how the &#039;eat hearty, girlfriend&#039; things get started. I also think there are many, many men who don&#039;t give a rat&#039;s ass if you gain 20 pounds, if it means you are getting more pleasure out of life and your relationship with him, and if it will make you just RELAX, for god&#039;s sake, but those guys aren&#039;t out there en force airing their opinions in the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It never fails to amaze me how everything men put out there that sounds like &#8216;hey, girls! Relax! Enjoy life!&#8217; turns into another impossible demand (eat hearty, but stay &#8216;effortlessly&#8217; thin! Go &#8216;natural&#8217;! Like Cameron Diaz! &#8211; which, of course, means putting in exactly the same amount of grooming time, but now you have to conceal that you&#8217;re doing it. </p>
<p>It always amazes me the number of men I know who honestly believe that women are just set up in some way that makes high heels more comfortable than they look and being completely hairless and odorless all the time somehow effortless. </p>
<p>It always amazes me is how many men seem to want all the results of women&#8217;s endless obsessing over their weight and appearance and man-pleasing behavior without having to be aware of any of the work involved. </p>
<p>I think there are a lot of men who feel vaguely weird and guilty about this, and that&#8217;s how the &#8216;eat hearty, girlfriend&#8217; things get started. I also think there are many, many men who don&#8217;t give a rat&#8217;s ass if you gain 20 pounds, if it means you are getting more pleasure out of life and your relationship with him, and if it will make you just RELAX, for god&#8217;s sake, but those guys aren&#8217;t out there en force airing their opinions in the media.</p>
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		<title>By: KellyGirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>KellyGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My boyfriend likes to remind me that he fell for me on our first date, when he took me to a place known for bar-be-que and I ordered a slab of ribs -- and ate them all.

He says he knew right then and there that I was a bad ass who didn&#039;t care what people thought of her.  

Funny, it&#039;s still a challenge to recreate that courage when eating in public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My boyfriend likes to remind me that he fell for me on our first date, when he took me to a place known for bar-be-que and I ordered a slab of ribs &#8212; and ate them all.</p>
<p>He says he knew right then and there that I was a bad ass who didn&#8217;t care what people thought of her.  </p>
<p>Funny, it&#8217;s still a challenge to recreate that courage when eating in public.</p>
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		<title>By: Rio Iriri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rio Iriri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My spouse and I are also vegetarian.  Last time I checked, he definitely has adequate manhood. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My spouse and I are also vegetarian.  Last time I checked, he definitely has adequate manhood. <img src='http://the-f-word.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: twilightriver</title>
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		<dc:creator>twilightriver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It takes girlie nads to be fat and order the ribs. Heaven forbid a fattie be seen eating something with a high mess quotient, in the company of someone who is still practically a stranger, no less. *gasp*horror* Oh noes!

People who spend all of their time judging others by how well they navigate the social hoops everyone is supposed to be jumping through, are no fun to date. The world is full of actors and actresses getting paid for their performances with the superficial version of social acceptance that is so easily lost if they falter in the slightest.

Isn&#039;t it great when people order what they want because they are in the mood for it and not because they want to give a good performance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It takes girlie nads to be fat and order the ribs. Heaven forbid a fattie be seen eating something with a high mess quotient, in the company of someone who is still practically a stranger, no less. *gasp*horror* Oh noes!</p>
<p>People who spend all of their time judging others by how well they navigate the social hoops everyone is supposed to be jumping through, are no fun to date. The world is full of actors and actresses getting paid for their performances with the superficial version of social acceptance that is so easily lost if they falter in the slightest.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it great when people order what they want because they are in the mood for it and not because they want to give a good performance?</p>
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		<title>By: Meowser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 02:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ordering a steak doesn&#039;t mean you aren&#039;t dieting.  Atkins lets you eat all the meat you want, as long as you don&#039;t touch carbs.  Now, if these chicks are daring to order a baked potato with the steak, and maybe some creamed spinach on the side, and eat it in front of a guy they barely know, now that takes girlie nads. 

Didn&#039;t &lt;em&gt;Bitch&lt;/em&gt; do a story a couple of years ago about how skinny celebrities like Cameron Diaz were all about bragging about all the cheeseburgers they downed, and how it showed that the new dream date was a skinny blondie who didn&#039;t &quot;need&quot; to diet?  As if women didn&#039;t have enough pressure on them -- now, not only do we have to be a size 2, but we have to be an &lt;em&gt;effortless&lt;/em&gt; size 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ordering a steak doesn&#8217;t mean you aren&#8217;t dieting.  Atkins lets you eat all the meat you want, as long as you don&#8217;t touch carbs.  Now, if these chicks are daring to order a baked potato with the steak, and maybe some creamed spinach on the side, and eat it in front of a guy they barely know, now that takes girlie nads. </p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t <em>Bitch</em> do a story a couple of years ago about how skinny celebrities like Cameron Diaz were all about bragging about all the cheeseburgers they downed, and how it showed that the new dream date was a skinny blondie who didn&#8217;t &#8220;need&#8221; to diet?  As if women didn&#8217;t have enough pressure on them &#8212; now, not only do we have to be a size 2, but we have to be an <em>effortless</em> size 2.</p>
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